Our Mascot
Newest Members
Robert Feather, Fly Doody, Lloyd Goldson, Jay Stewart, Dees
2763 Registered Users
May
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
Recent Photos
Dave Koz & Friends Hoilday Tour 2011
2011 Cote D'Azur Tour Opener
Paul Taylor at Genuine Jazz and Wine Festival 2010
Page 11 of 30 < 1 2 ... 9 10 11 12 13 ... 29 30 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#87721 - 08/20/09 09:40 AM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: golfwidow]
golfwidow Offline
Member

Registered: 08/18/01
Posts: 270
Loc: Connecticut
...but if it isn't the gvt's responsibility to tell the recipients of entitlements how to spend that money (personal responsibility)then why is it the gvt's responsibility to tell me that I will responsible for paying for these programs with higher taxes? It just goes round and round and my moral compass keeps pointing to personal responsibility - this is why I have no good solution to offer - because I fear that the gvt just can't (and shouldn't have to) control that bottom line.

Don't worry - I'm off the computer for the rest of the day. If and when I return to this thread (again : ) I know that Kat and jazzwriter are laughing at me - as are a few lurkers) - it will hopefully be with less drama! I'm just taking this very seriously because I am very worried about the future for my children and the rest of their generation...I really want to do right by them!

Top
#87727 - 08/20/09 09:47 PM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: golfwidow]
jazzwriter Offline
Member

Registered: 11/15/99
Posts: 9562
Loc: Greenville, Miss. USA
Not laughing at you golfwidow. You're not funny, haha.
_________________________
And when he cut open the shark, there was a leg.
- Missy, "Uncle Bob's Leg" (unedited)

Top
#87729 - 08/21/09 04:28 AM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: jazzwriter]
golfwidow Offline
Member

Registered: 08/18/01
Posts: 270
Loc: Connecticut
Ok - maybe not funny - how about dazed and confused - or just a raving lunatic? I am certainly thinking about this way too much -but perhaps people like me are needed to balance out those who don't think it through at all???

Hope I'm not coming across as selfish or too judgemental - I just want this to be a fair deal for all (if possible).

I hope that the final health care reform bill will include lifetime coverage of "health care reform worry induced psychosis"!

Top
#87734 - 08/21/09 10:07 PM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: golfwidow]
jazzwriter Offline
Member

Registered: 11/15/99
Posts: 9562
Loc: Greenville, Miss. USA
Sorry, gw, that was a lame attempt at co-opting a line from The Cosby Show to bring a little levity to this forum.
Grrr. Rep. Thompson's meeting on health care is next Tuesday, but I've got jury duty - again - so there's a chance I'll still be in court.
_________________________
And when he cut open the shark, there was a leg.
- Missy, "Uncle Bob's Leg" (unedited)

Top
#87735 - 08/22/09 03:51 AM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: jazzwriter]
golfwidow Offline
Member

Registered: 08/18/01
Posts: 270
Loc: Connecticut
Not to worry, jazzwriter, my response was also a lame attempt at levity. I miss the Cosby Show - it reminded us to try see the humor in the day to day things that drive us all crazy. Now the theme song from that show is going to be in my head all day...

Top
#87777 - 08/25/09 08:31 PM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: SH]
jazzwriter Offline
Member

Registered: 11/15/99
Posts: 9562
Loc: Greenville, Miss. USA
Rep. Thompson held his town hall meeting. I did not go. We had 2 other staffers assigned. Professionally speaking, it was my hope that my department head would try to get Thompson to sit down with us for a Q&A with our staff. That didn't happen. Since I wasn't assigned the story (a product of keeping with our normal schedule), I didn't take the initiative to arrange 1-on-1 time with the congressman.
A couple of points I want to make before I get into what my co-workers came back with:
-- It's estimated that nearly half our population is without medical insurance. Unemployment is a factor. I believe a bigger factor is that a high percentage of those who are employed are part-timers (ineligible for company coverage), self-employed or work for small businesses (fewer than 20 employees) that can't afford to provide.
-- Study after study have shown that this region is the nation's worst in obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease. The good news: Greenville's mayor is pushing some aggressive (some would say heavy-handed) healthy lifestyle policies for municipal employees, and I've noticed that more overweight people are out walking than I'm used to seeing. So people here -- not everyone -- are doing something for themselves without pinning hopes on a saving throw from national health care policy.
So this is an issue of major interest.
Now on to the meeting:
Thompson attempted to dispel rumors and misconceptions about the plan. I'm not sure if he succeeded. He was asked directly if he supports the bill. His answer, condensed to an approximate 5-second sound byte, was that he wants to hear what his constituents want but he does believe some type of reform is necessary.
There was no shouting. It's possible that our video didn't show it, but I saw no signs of "Obamacare," "socialism" or "read the bill."
Granted, this district voted overwhelmingly for Obama, although McCain carried the state. But it does make me wonder if at least some of the anger demonstrated in reports from around the country was contrived - orchestrated by antagonists from the right or defenders from the left.
Some of the people had different concerns, but it seemed the main things were that people want to know what's in the bill and they don't want their costs to go up.
For the moment, it seems those who were afraid -- based on commentary of doom and gloom -- while not wholly embracing the plan are a little less fearful. Still very concerned about how it affects them personally but not as worried about the state of the union as it relates to the type of government we have.
Thompson has another meeting tomorrow in Greenwood.



Edited by jazzwriter (08/25/09 08:38 PM)
Edit Reason: corrected typos
_________________________
And when he cut open the shark, there was a leg.
- Missy, "Uncle Bob's Leg" (unedited)

Top
#87779 - 08/25/09 09:12 PM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: jazzwriter]
Kat Administrator Offline
Musical Technologist
Member

Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4344
Loc: Danbury, Connecticut
I had mentioned Michael Moore in the ideology thread, and I got to thinking about his 2007 film, "Sicko".

Quote:
Writer/producer Michael Moore interviews Americans who have been denied treatment by our health care insurance companies -- companies who sacrifice essential health services in order to maximize profits. The consequences for the individual subscribers range from bankruptcy to the unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

Moore then looks at universal free health care systems in Canada, France, Britain, and Cuba, debunking all the fears (lower quality of care, poorer compensation for doctors, big-government bureaucracy) that have been used to dissuade Americans from establishing such a system here. The roots of those health care systems are explored, and our failure to establish free health here care is traced to a) President Richard Nixon's deceptive support of the then-emerging HMOs pursuing huge profits and b) subsequent pressures for Congress to sacrifice sound health care in favor of corporate profit.

A group of Americans who became ill from volunteering at 911 Ground Zero, but were refused health coverage for their illnesses, are ferried by Moore to Cuba, where they receive the top-rate, free care one would hope they'd get here at home.

In his interviews, historical reportage, and typical sarcastic wit, Moore soundly condemns American health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, as well as the politicians who have been paid millions to do their bidding. He makes the case that there is something wrong with Americans that we cannot learn from the successes of other countries in providing better quality-of-health than we enjoy in the USA.


Ok, propaganda aside here... the Cuban government looked really good in this film and the use of Ground Zero volunteers was a piece de resistance....

There is food for thought here.

Why does politics play to people's darkest fears - higher taxes, less access and substandard care?

Look around you.
  • How many people do you actually know who don't have health care insurance?
  • How many of us have been without medical insurance?
  • Have you ever been unemployed and decided not to accept your COBRA continuation because of cost?
  • How many of us have ever been denied benefits while covered by insurance?

As some of you know, I've been denied twice - and used much of my savings on surgery for a "pre-existing condition". (Jeepers, why would I want to use my left arm, after all I should be grateful that I'm right handed!)

I do find some interesting history in Moore's docu-film. In 1973, the Nixon administration did push for emerging HMOs just as subsequent administrations pushed for PPOs, HSAs, IPAs, MCOs, POS, Social Security reform, Medicare reform, Medicaid reform.... and the newest, meaningless buzz phrase: Co-Ops.

Medicare & Medicaid were enacted in 1965 under Lyndon Johnson, and by the early 70's - the cost of Medicare was too high. So HMOs were formed... and really fostered by the belief that all Americans should have healthcare insurance.

What we used to have was major medical insurance. After HMOs, we have become accustomed to the lowest co-payments for office visits and prescription drugs. We get very annoyed if our co-payments and premiums increase while for others, those co-payments appear to be lower.

We have a lot of angry Americans who are concerned about their tax burden - and not really understanding that we are already paying for welfare services and state coverage for those who do not have healthcare insurance.

The biggest rising cost to Medicaid is nursing home coverage, not the coverage of healthcare insurance for the poor. It is a limited income program, tested by the individual states. It was a part of Social Security reform in the mid-60's.

Quote:
Medicaid is a program that is not solely funded at the federal level. States provide up to half of the funding for the Medicaid program. In some states, counties also contribute funds. Unlike the Medicare entitlement program, Medicaid is a means-tested, needs-based social welfare or social protection program rather than a social insurance program. Eligibility is determined largely by income. The main criterion for Medicaid eligibility is limited income and financial resources, a criterion which plays no role in determining Medicare coverage. Medicaid covers a wider range of health care services than Medicare.


So what are we going to do about Medicaid? How do we care for the aging baby boomers? Where does that money come from? I haven't heard a peep about this from any source. We're paying for this with our Social Security and local taxes. Meanwhile, people fear income tax increases to fund universal healthcare.

It's the middle class that I worry about - not the poorest of the poor. After our social security tax, we pay local taxes for Medicaid.

I'm talking about people like me who PAY for our insurance and still get denied benefits because of tiny fine print. I'm talking about people who suddenly find themselves without a job and can't pay the exorbitant COBRA fees to maintain the health insurance that they once had.

We have angry Americans who feel that they paid into the system for years, and they are not about to lose their fair share to those who haven't earned it. They believe that something other than them should "take care of the poor and the unemployed".

Anotherwards, "Don't Tread On Me". But they are already paying and don't realize it. They pay in their local taxes - either income tax or sales tax. They pay in their insurance premiums and in their co-payments.

By the time I retire, I will be lucky if there's anything left for me....

And I'll leave you all with some rhetorical questions.

Why are we being bombarded with propaganda about substandard healthcare in other G8 countries? Why are we being bombarded with propaganda about how great our healthcare system is? (Yeah, it's so great that Kings and Queens and other Royalty want to come to our hospitals).

What do we as POTUS actually know about the healthcare in other countries? All we know is what the media is telling us on the right and on the left.

OK.... abandon the Government insurance agency, that's OK with me....just as long as I know that I'm eligible for catastrophic insurance coverage for my heart attack after I lose my job.

Give me some old-fashioned indemnity style major medical coverage that I can carry with me for all my life - wherever I move in the USA, and let me purchase some insurance options to make the other costs more manageable. I don't need much more than that.

I know people are worried and upset. But we have to look for solutions, not scream rhetoric at each other.


_________________________
I've Got Jazz...Do You?


Top
#87789 - 08/26/09 07:22 PM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: Kat]
jazzwriter Offline
Member

Registered: 11/15/99
Posts: 9562
Loc: Greenville, Miss. USA
Tell me about it, Kat. I was once denied coverage for pre-existing conditions despite it being the same company. Well, initially denied; to get my benefits required a lot of back and forth phone calls and extra paperwork.
At the newspaper, our carrier was Blue Cross & Blue Shield of Mississippi. I left that job for a while. My new employer, whose home base is Birmingham, offered Blues Cross & Blue Shield of Alabama. It may as well of been Guy's Grab Bag for all the coverage I got.
For those interested, here are segments 1 and 2 of Rep. Bennie Thompson's town hall meeting last night. When the home page loads, the video pane may show a weather report or other news. Click on one of the thumbnails below the player.
The total footage is an hour and 40 minutes, broken into 4 segments. The others will be added later this week.
Funny, it didn't take long for a conspiracy theorist I work with to start saying Ted Kennedy's death is the springboard that will propel the worst-case scenario health care package to passage.
_________________________
And when he cut open the shark, there was a leg.
- Missy, "Uncle Bob's Leg" (unedited)

Top
#87792 - 08/27/09 03:37 AM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: jazzwriter]
SH Offline
Member

Registered: 09/08/04
Posts: 1846
Loc: Algonquin, IL
I think if they try to capitalize on Kennedy's death to push the healthcare bill through it would be a disaster. A silverspoon congressman that had "a kings" treatment for his cancer would not be the best example to lay out there.

I wonder how long before someone chronicalizes his last 2 years healthcare to illustrate how superior his care was because he was able to make choices, not have wait periods and get all of his treatments with immediacy upon learning about his predictament.

Top
#87793 - 08/27/09 04:51 AM Re: HEALTH CARE 2009 [Re: SH]
Kat Administrator Offline
Musical Technologist
Member

Registered: 12/24/00
Posts: 4344
Loc: Danbury, Connecticut
probably today or tomorrow... wink

Wanna bet whether it will be Rush? laugh
_________________________
I've Got Jazz...Do You?


Top
Page 11 of 30 < 1 2 ... 9 10 11 12 13 ... 29 30 >


Moderator:  Kat, Shannon West, webmistress