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#86818 - 06/30/09 09:55 PM sorting out - after Michael Jackson
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I am very touched by the loss of Michael Jackson. His music and style have left an indelible mark on music, from The Jackson 5 until the end. 4 decades of music and an ever evolving and fresh style.

Rather than clutter our other thread... I thought it best to open a separate one for your thoughts, impressions, opinions.
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#86820 - 06/30/09 10:08 PM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: Kat]
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Starting off...

Yes, there has been a lot of media hype and coverage. Rumors, innuendos, speculation are selling tabloids and boosting ratings.

I am trying to remember his music. I was struck by something that the Reverend Al Sharpeton said about all the celebrities who rushed to pay tribute and comment .... "Where were they yesterday?"

It was easy to make a target of Michael Jackson after he admitted to needing help in 1993 for his addiction to painkillers. Not only did he have pain from his burns (the Pepsi commercial, was it 1986?) but he suffered chronic joint inflammation from lupus.

Tonight I watched an amazing video - that AEG put out in a hurry. It was the selection of the 10 dancers for the tour. The music was incredible and the dancers were vibrant. Michael Jackson was glowing thru the video.

I was a bit surprised at how quickly AEG put this video out, but the music was recorded and the videos are ready - there will be a release.

Just to be complete, AEG had major insurance on the tour. 3 major insurers, for multi-millions. (AEG is primarily known for its real-estate holdings and sports ownership. It is in competition with the Clear Channel spinoff known as Live Nation for the music entertainment dollar).
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#86826 - 07/01/09 06:37 AM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: Kat]
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Originally Posted By: Kat
Starting off...

Yes, there has been a lot of media hype and coverage. Rumors, innuendos, speculation are selling tabloids and boosting ratings.

I am trying to remember his music. I was struck by something that the Reverend Al Sharpeton said about all the celebrities who rushed to pay tribute and comment .... "Where were they yesterday?"



On Sharpton's comment, this is how it always is with people coming out of the woodwork to give praise. I'm sure in an attempt to keep a person's dignity intact you usually only hear about what a great person the deceased was. As far as the tabloid fodder, it seems more a case of re-hashing the only things that has made him newsworthy over the past 20 years. I actually didn't realize he has made music over 4 decades.

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#86827 - 07/01/09 07:41 AM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: SH]
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The Jackson 5ive started in the 1960s. I believe Michael was 11 when they recorded their first hit.
I don't guess I'm too bothered by the media overkill. Imagine what it would have been like if we had cable news and the Internet when Elvis died. As I recall, it was still pretty intense.
Someone made the comment a few days ago, will people remember where they were when they heard. I was watching cops vainly search for an escaped prisoner.
It was late in the day. We'd already heard that he was in the hospital (although the initial report was a heart attack). Early that morning, a guy who was serving 4 years for grand larceny escaped from a community work center (for non-violent criminals who were near the end of their sentences and had shown good behavior). Several hours later, neighbors in one area reported seeing him. So about 50 police, sheriff's deputies, state and federal agents are combing the neigherhood and about a dozen grassy wooded areas, when my main police contact asked me if I had heard that Michael was dead. At the moment, the answer was no. But as soon as I got back into the car, I heard it on ESPN Radio of all things.
Sad, but not entirely shocking.
I love the career retrospectives and even watching some of the other artists do his songs (and Jamie Foxx moonwalking - btw, Jamie is so amazingly versatile), but I could without all the speculation from people who don't know a damn thing. And so many people are still judging him about the child molestation allegations. Never proven.
If there's one thing that we in America should have a greater appreciation for is to not vilify anyone about criminal charges when the charges are dropped or the accused is found not guilty. Yes, we are entitled to our opinions about whether O.J. killed Nicole or Kobe Bryant raped that girl in Colorado, but to carry grudges 5, 10, 15 years are the cases end is just wrong.
True, Michael did seem to have a problem with reality. True, it's weird for a grown man to share a bed with kids who aren't his own. But we cannot and should not presume that because he paid a family off that he's guilty.
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#86828 - 07/01/09 07:55 AM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: SH]
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Yes...4 decades...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson

Here are my faves;

1969: with the Jackson 5 - I Want You Back, ABC
1970: with the Jackson 5 - I'll Be There, The Love You Save
1971: with the Jackson 5 - Never Can Say Good-Bye
1979: Off The Wall - Don't Stop Til You Get Enough & Rock With You
1982: Thriller - Billie Jean, Beat It (with Eddie Van Halen), Human Nature, Pretty Young Thing
1987 - Bad - Man In The Mirror, Smooth Criminal
1991 - Dangerous - Black or White (with Slash)
2001 - Invincible - Invincible, Whatever Happens (with Carlos Santana)
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#86833 - 07/01/09 01:08 PM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: Kat]
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Kat, I'm with you up to Man in the Mirror. To those, I'll add:
Jackson 5 -
Looking Through the Windows
Corner of the Sky
The Jacksons -
Enjoy Yourself
Let Me Show You the Way to Go
Heartbreak Hotel (perhaps my favorite of all with the group)
Off the Wall -
Working Day and Night
Off the Wall
Girlfriend
Can't Help It (exceptionally well covered by Janis Siegel a while back)
Thriller -
Baby Be Mine
Human Nature
Bad -
I'll Never Stop Loving You (a cover of which led me to David Benoit's Every Step of the Way)
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#86841 - 07/01/09 07:53 PM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: jazzwriter]
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I was not at all suprised at the amount of media coverage. Let's face it he was a very important figure in the music world. His life style made him seem even bigger then life and there was the music. As one who was born and raised here in northern Indiana having someone from the state hit it that big at such a young age was notable here. I was in radio all through the 70's and the Jackson 5 were a large part of the music I was playing.

I do worry about the kids and hope the media will leave them alone at least for awhile. But that may be asking for too much. My wife said she heard a report that his will stated the care of the children is to go to Diana Ross. Is that correct? I would not be suprised by that given the background they have. Wonder how that will fly with the family if true?

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#86862 - 07/02/09 08:11 AM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: DaveS]
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His Mother was nominated as the children's guardian. Diana Ross was nominated in the event that Katherine Jackson passes away.

Totally mind boggling that he has 8 of the 10 top catalog albums on Billboard. He can't be on the Billboard 200 because of the release dates. MJ outsold the #1 Black Eyed Peas album last week.

I wrote a blog post on MJ, because I think he was really misunderstood. Yes, he made a lot of money.... but his life was a very sad and lonely life. He thrived when he was on stage - and that speaks to his childhood, and the only thing that made him happy.

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I've been thinking a lot about Michael Jackson's last day.

From all reports, he did what he loved - performing and getting involved with all aspects for his upcoming tour. His children and friends watched him... and it's hard to avoid the 24 hour a day media blitz about every detail.

My niece doesn't understand his relevance, and wonders when MTV will get back to broadcasting her regular shows. That floored me. Michael Jackson, winner of the MTV Video Vanguard Award is the man who gave relevance to MTV with 1983's "Thriller". Michael Jackson, the man who organized "USA for Africa" and called in favors after 9/11 to organize the "United We Stand" concert in RFK stadium. How many people remember that Michael was in Madison Square Garden on September 10, 2001? In the late 90's he had done fund raisers for refugees in Kosovo and Nelson Mandela. He gave whenever he was called.

I've been listening to his discography and sadly realized that his music has always been there in the soundtrack of my life. I was startled to hear over and over the words "dead at age 50". I think I had him frozen in time... in the mid 80's.

Michael Jackson was 2 years younger than me and as a kid, I identified with him. Not only was he "cute", but he could sing and dance. I didn't realize for a very long time that he had an adult voice in a child's body - he sang with the attitude of someone much older.

As he grew older, he seemed to be a child, caught in an adult body. The world was pretty cruel to Michael Jackson after his record sales dropped to 2 million units. The tabloids were all over him - and no detail was spared. From his marriages to his plastic surgeries to the messy rumors about his court trial - we saw it all splashed across the pages.

Part of the initial tabloid coverage was a sign of the times. To keep his name in the press, a photo of him in the hyperbaric chamber was released without commentary. The way it was worked, was that a statement was released and debated, effectively keeping his name on the front cover.

Until it went wrong and he was accused of child abuse. He was already taking pain killers for joint inflammation due to Lupus and added anti-anxiety drugs to deal with the stress.

I think he married Lisa Marie Presley because they actually had something in common, and it seems so cynical to think it was a sham to prop up his image. What they shared was his dependence on her as he drifted off more and more into the painkillers. She tried to save him, as her Mother tried had tried to save Elvis.

He paid off a family - to try and spare himself the ordeal of a trial. It just made the public more suspicious and he became reclusive. Then the second accusation surfaced and he spent millions trying to clear his name... he was acquitted because the accusations were disjointed.

I think it hurt him a lot - he gave us so much musical genius and the public turned on him. I read that he once remarked that he preferred the company of children because they were innocent. Maybe he was happier these past days because his own children were growing up and he was surrounded by the innocence that he wanted.

I am sad for the loss of Michael Jackson. The world has so many problems and yet... I am reflecting on what his loss means to my life. It is a reminder that none of us knows when the hourglass runs out of sand. And it's such a tragedy to lose him.

Here's my favorite video... "Rock With You". After disco, there was punk and music diverged from R&B and Rock. He got us dancing again.
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#86863 - 07/02/09 09:12 AM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: Kat]
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Random thoughts....

I remember in the late 60's, the debates over "The Osmonds" or "The Jackson Five", yet I think people knew there was something unique about Micheal and that he was the engine driving the band and would be in music for a long time. Yet you could say the same about Donnie. Interesting how differently their lives unfolded.

"Thriller" was the only album I really liked post J5.

I do NOT think he ever molested children but there is still something very wrong about children doing sleepovers with a middle-aged man and there is also something wrong with any parent that would allow it and it would rightfully raise suspicions about what their true intentions were (lawsuit). Just saying.....

If Micheal made more music in the 90's I'm sure more kids would get it. It seems everyone under (about) 21 don't care one ay or another.

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#86865 - 07/02/09 01:43 PM Re: sorting out - after Michael Jackson [Re: SH]
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Very beautifully said, Kat, and I agree. The other stuff is unfortunate, but there's no mistaking the impact his music and charity have had on millions of lives worldwide.
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