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#85834 - 04/07/09 07:36 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: jazzwriter]
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AAJ did a very accurate and non-critical review. Regarding the "4 minute song" target, it seems to me they have been doing this for the last 3-4 cd's

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#85856 - 04/10/09 06:59 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: SH]
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Woody, great job on the review. I agree with what you said..."restrained" is a good way to put it. It's more about comfortable listening pleasure, rather than gettting your juices flowing.

DW, listened to the JP Steele demo....nice work there my friend! Simple, not so much- the bass lines had some interesting stuff going on, rather than just outlining the fundamental notes. You did play them precisely, but they aren't dull and bland for sure.
He did a nice job of writing the basslines.

The vocals, however... laugh

Simon would have said atrocious, Randy would have said "pitchy, dog" and Paula would have gushed about admiring the taking a chance on making it in the music business, and would have advised following Britney Spears lead about using active pitch correction.
Kara, well, she'd probably say "not hearing star quality here..."

Just poking fun, dude....nice work on the demo though, for your part of it.

Later
TY

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#85857 - 04/10/09 07:43 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: bassix]
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Thanks, Tony.
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#85858 - 04/10/09 09:29 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: bassix]
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Originally Posted By: bassix


DW, listened to the JP Steele demo....nice work there my friend! Simple, not so much- the bass lines had some interesting stuff going on, rather than just outlining the fundamental notes. You did play them precisely, but they aren't dull and bland for sure.
He did a nice job of writing the basslines.

The vocals, however... laugh

Thanks, Tony. I hated those basslines but he was adamant about them being played the way he wrote them. And LOL about the vocals! Suffice it to say, he's no longer doing music that I'm aware of. Those recordings were done about 10 years ago.

Back on subject. I think sometimes some loose creativity should come into play. Granted The Ripps/Russ and Spyro Gyra are 2 different entities but listen to SG's first track on the new record. I'd love to find that kind of energy from a current Ripps recording! Go back to what the Rippingtons name meant!


Edited by DWBass (04/10/09 11:56 AM)
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#85862 - 04/11/09 03:18 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: Eric Viccaro]
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A very nice interview with Russ Freeman and a "Modern-Art" album review are available on http://www.smoothviews.com
However, I think that the album reviewer got confused Heler with Karasony and vice-versa (Maybe they'll correct it later wink ).

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#85863 - 04/11/09 08:51 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: Spring]
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I must have missed it, or they corrected it before I read it. Anyway, Russ says something in the interview that was also in the press kit that I got, about how they played these songs live. Have any of you heard these songs in concert? How do the live versions compare to what's on the CD?
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#85864 - 04/12/09 02:55 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: jazzwriter]
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I know we have done a little bit of "panning" with Modern Art. But I can seriously say I could listen to "Age of Reason" about 20 times in a row and not get tired of it. The chorus and bridge are great.

Namaste,
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#85865 - 04/12/09 07:06 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: theo]
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I know we have done a little bit of "panning" with Modern Art. But I can seriously say I could listen to "Age of Reason" about 20 times in a row and not get tired of it. The chorus and bridge are great.


I think Shannon hit it in the first 3 paragraphs of her review. It's what I tried to say in an earlier post - it met my expectations.... and that these days, I don't feel the excitement of when music was new. I hadn't spoken to Shannon, so when I read her words, it was as if she read my mind!

http://www.smoothviews.com/cdreviews/rippingtons_modernart.htm

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It's an interesting juxtaposition - the expectations of long time fans and the impact that 15 years of smoothing out has had on the music and the artists who play it. The listener reviews on the retail sites and blogs waver between disappointment and enjoyment but what seems to be missing is the state of excitement that comes when you have just heard a song that lights you up and makes you want to hit repeat for hours on end. True, there isn't anything here that buzzes me like "Dreams of the Sirens" from Kilimanjaro or that rush I still get when I hear Carl Anderson shout on "Tourist in Paradise." But songs like that are rarities across the board. If a band gets 10 during their career that's an amazing feat. This band has.

You can't ask an artist to go back and do something they did before. If they did try to do that, it would sound forced and inauthentic. The artists with staying power move forward and keep trying new things. These new things don't have to be ultra-progressive or risky if that is not where the artist is coming from when they write songs for a specific album. It's doubtful that any song on Modern Art will bring the same set of goosebumps that that the first notes of "Moonlighting" brought the first time I put the needle on the record (yeah, I got it on vinyl first), because the newness factor is not in effect. This is a band that a lot of us have lived with for over 20 years.

That being said, those first chords in the title track made me grin and the chorus is downright joyous, and the guitar line in "Pastels on Canvas" got stuck in my head for several days. Modern Art is Rippingtons music circa 2009. It's where Russ and the band are at this particular point in time and one of the reasons it feels so good is there is not a single song on here that sounds forced, contrived, or like anyone is out to prove something. These are tight, short, melodic songs that give the musicians a lot of room to breathe and take some fascinating twists and turns along the way.
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#85877 - 04/13/09 07:11 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: Kat]
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While I suppose I am not qualified to make an assesement since I haven't heard the cd yet but that review sounds like an excuse for the cooler than normal reception towards it.

It would seem to me Russ covered the smoother, safer, programmed approach with his solo albums with Benoit, Chaquico and quite frankly 1/2 the songs on recent Ripps releases. Just because it's not the 90's anymore doesn't mean you have to play mellower more programmed music (???). I'm glad a lot of bands like Spyro and now Ken Navarro try to keep moving forward to maintain that creative edge that made them unique among other also rans. In the case of SG, no there will probably never be another Three Wishes but The Deep End and Good To Go Go are just as good and cutting edge as anything they made from that era. But at the same time I don't really have a problem with it. It's Russ' band. He may lose a few fans but he may also gain a few. Fortunately there is a ton of great music out there to choose from.


Edited by SH (04/13/09 07:11 AM)

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#85881 - 04/13/09 09:13 AM Re: Modern Art [Re: SH]
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Shannon West is a skilled interviewer and writer, an intelligent lady who knows more about music and musicians than I will ever know. However, in the summation paragraph of her review she makes a statement with which I must, respectfully, take exception.

She writes, “Yes, there are some songs that fit a format, but that was the case from the beginning.”

Nocturnal Playground, Moonlighting, Kilimanjaro, Tourist in Paradise, these works didn’t fit a format; they set a standard. They helped to establish a new format. Remember the retrospective DVD that came with Twentieth Anniversary? They didn’t even know how to categorize Rippingtons’ music in the early days.

Freeman is a gifted musician and composer. He’s a proven innovator. Modern Art may represent where Freeman is today, but if so, it’s less a linier evolution and more a sharp left turn after Wildcard and Twentieth Anniversary. Okay, I like Paris Groove. The whole project is melodic and pleasant. But “pleasant” is not what drew me to the Rippingtons in the first place.

In interviews, Freeman regularly makes the point that he appreciates his fans. Many of us are disappointed over Modern Art precisely because it does fit a format with too few innovators. It is not what we have come to expect from this extraordinary talent.

That said, Modern Art has done nothing to shake my status as a diehard Ripps fan.

Ken

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