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#85511 - 03/06/09 09:13 PM
Re: Dave Samuels...
[Re: Spyro1]
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Oh yes....but what OTHER band could lose a world class virtueoso like Dave and go on to THRIVE as Spyro Gyra has indeed done.
None that I can think of.
Paul
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#85824 - 04/06/09 12:05 PM
Re: Dave Samuels...
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I would love to see him reunite with the band for a concert that would be recorded and released on video.
Alternately, it would be great to have an updated concert video of the band with Bonny. Kind of like Road Scholars but with video.
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#85825 - 04/06/09 12:40 PM
Re: Dave Samuels...
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I agree with all the above. The marimba is a major part of that. Vibes have been used a lot in jazz, but other than Dave, I rarely hear the marimba, and it's that sound I miss. His solos, like those on the studio versions of Morning Dance and Shaker Song, the live versions of Serpent in Paradise and Heliopolis, and other songs like Carnaval, Whirlwind, No Man's Land and Nothing to Lose, really added a unique flavor to this group's sound.
Edited by jazzwriter (04/06/09 12:53 PM) Edit Reason: clarify last sentence
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#85866 - 04/12/09 07:35 AM
Re: Dave Samuels...
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I would travel across the country to see Dave play with the group again. He was a major part in the Spyro sound and isn't the same without him.
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#85869 - 04/12/09 02:25 PM
Re: Dave Samuels...
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I like it when he plays on some studio tracks, but I like the band the way it is now. Peace and goodwill.
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#85871 - 04/12/09 06:04 PM
Re: Dave Samuels...
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Dave gave the band a more distinctive sound, and I was saddened to see him go. But the group hasn't suffered one bit. I reiterate something said years ago. All bands go through some degee of personnel change, and Spyro Gyra for a while had a revolving door for the bass and drummer slots. Four of the current members have been together for 17 years. Not many ensembles of any genre can claim that.
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#85889 - 04/14/09 10:19 AM
Re: Dave Samuels...
[Re: jazzwriter]
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It's a mixed feelings situation....i do miss him, but now Schu has more room to "Schumanize"!!!
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#85904 - 04/14/09 11:55 PM
Re: Dave Samuels...
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Schumanize. Hmmm. Eril, you better get a copyright on that.
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#85908 - 04/15/09 04:37 AM
Re: Dave Samuels...
[Re: jazzwriter]
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When I first heard Spyro Gyra I was attracted by the saxophone "voice" (both alto & soprano) of Jay Beckenstein. I've always felt that his sound was the essence of Spyro Gyra and while Dave Samuels is missed, I would say his contribution was secondary to that of Beckenstein, though it was important.
However, I seriously doubt he will ever reunite and tour with the group as a regular band member. His success, in its own right, with the Caribbean Jazz Project has been significant with a Grammy Award under his belt and an outlet that lets Dave experience his first love, Latin Jazz.
I agree with Eril that Tom Schuman's star has risen with the group. He deserves wider recognition as an artist, almost as much as Spyro Gyra as a group deserves long overdue recognition from the music community for their incredible 30-year contribution to contemporary jazz or music in general.
Looking forward to the new release!!!
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#85915 - 04/15/09 08:22 AM
Re: Dave Samuels...
[Re: jazzwriter]
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Well said, Phil. Dave added something that wasn't necessarily a major part of this group's identity. On those first few albums, he did not appear on every song. In fact, there were only a few albums - from Access All Areas to Rites of Summer - where he had a significant presence on the majority of songs. That's not to diminish his impact; just my way of showing that he wasn't always there. What made the vibes and marimba significant to me was I just didn't hear those instruments much in contemporary music. At the time when I first heard Morning Dance, it was pretty much limited to a handful of songs by Starbuck (Moonlight Feels Right, etc.) and Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville. So when I heard Dave with Spyro Gyra, it moved me. I did hear those instruments in other styles of music, and certainly classic jazz because of Lionel Hampton's numerous television appearances. But except for the examples above, they were and still are foreign in the popular music I hear(d). On the other hand, as I got to listen to the rest of the Morning Dance album, Jay's sax blew me away, too, particularly a signature two-note, high-low that he blasted at the end of Heliopolis. And in the time between 1981 and '83, when this group became my favorite and I'd bought all their albums to date (Carnaval was the first I owned - acquired in a trade), his play on several others hooked me: Opus D'Opus, Leticia, Galadriel, Morning Dance, Rasul, Heliopopolis, Percolator, Awakening, Cashaca, Freetime, Old San Juan, Oasis, Incognito, Nightlife, Islands in the Sky, Silver Linings. All the others are good, but these are the songs that stood out.
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#85922 - 04/16/09 06:20 AM
Re: Dave Samuels...
[Re: jazzwriter]
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Right back atcha Woody!
My first exposure to Spyro was rather late in the game (1992) and through my rock guitar-playing son who asked me one day if I ever heard of a group called "Spyro Gyra"? I thought it was another one of those crazy names for a rock band. However, since my son knew of my love of jazz, I accepted his suggestion and managed to listen to "Para Ti Latino" and "4MD" from their "Fast Forward" release on GRP. My initial thought was "Whoaa! Who is this?" I suddenly realized that perhaps I needed to have a closer look at this band. Needless to say, I have been hooked ever since.
Following that eye-opening experience and some time later, I found out they were playing the Keswick Theatre in Glenside, PA (only 100 miles away) and purchased tickets. "Live" they absolutely tore up the place with an overflow crowd that responded noisily to a great evening of music.
I have to credit this band with helping me expand my interest in other groups. It led to the Yellowjackets, the Ripps, and believe it or not, the Pat Metheny Group. The realization that I had been behind some sort of jazz or music eight-ball became evident.
And speaking of Dave Samuels, I began to examine his career and was rewarded by discovering that he had played a live concert date at Carnegie Hall in 1974 with Gerry Mulligan and Chet Baker, two of Jazzdom's giants. That concert "Gerry Mulligan & Chet Baker at Carnegie Hall" is still available on CD and gives you an idea about Dave's ability to handle straight-ahead jazz. Two other players on that group's live date and recording were John Scofield, guitar and Bob James on piano. All these guys were in their jazz infancy, but accomplished musicians nonetheless. If you run across this release, it might be a good one to add to your collection.
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#85925 - 04/16/09 07:30 AM
Re: Dave Samuels...
[Re: Phil]
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Well....in my case Jay's voice (sax) and Tom's incredibly fast solos were the reason for me to get hooked with the band. It was 1980 and i was 8 years old and taking piano lessons from my mom....she insisted on "Chopin" and i was paying attention to Spyro Gyra!!!. Vibes were very familiar to me since one of my dad's favorite artist was Cal Tjader and also Tito Puente..who also played vibraphone....and waaay better than the timbales. Also Gato Barbieri was a huge influence for me as a listener and as a musician.....so...at first...Spyro Gyra covered all those spots for me....the latin stuff....the "funky stuff" and the only-they-know-how-to-do- it stuff....like "Pygmy Funk".
When Dave plays...he reminds me that latin jazz still lives...and his contribution to the band was great!! also, vibes and marimba are big and heavy instruments that not everybody can deal with, and he's got the upper hand in terms of exposition!! There's not another vibe player arround touring and/or winning grammys out there!!
So Like i said before....i do miss Dave...but i'm a piano player at heart and Tom is my hero and my main influence...and more since now i know him on a personal level!! now he's filling all the empty spots with his "wizardy"..."Schumanizing"!!!
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#85927 - 04/16/09 07:48 AM
Re: Dave Samuels...
[Re: The Moogman]
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That's funny, Phil. I have pretty diverse tastes in jazz, and thought I was doing well to keep up with my favorites. But around 2000 - partly because of information I got from you guys - I realized I had gotten into a rut. For several years, all I did was keep pace with The Rippingtons and Spyro Gyra, with occasional hits from Yellowjackets, Fattburger, David Benoit and Lee Ritenour. There was so much more out there that I wasn't getting because I didn't see anything that caught my attention in the record stores, and really hadn't heard any on radio at all for several years. One can hardly describe keeping pace with SG or the Ripps as a rut, but I felt like it was the case because there was so much other stuff out there that I knew nothing about. Like the above-mentioned Caribbean Jazz Project. I rejoined Columbia House (those introductory packages were so wonderful) and opened a virtual Pandora's Box.
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