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#31404 - 12/05/02 10:54 AM RICK DERRINGER ???
JJ Offline
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Hey All,

I saw Derringer's name on a smooth jazz chart, anyone heard the CD yet? I'm withholding final judgement until I do but my first thought is yet another faded rock guitarist trying their hand at smooth jazz, anyone have any thoughts or opinions on his release?

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#31405 - 12/05/02 03:57 PM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
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I haven't heard - or seen - this CD, but I'll be forever indebted to Rick Derringer for the quote: "The airport giveth and the airport taketh away" from the back cover of (I think) "Rock & Roll Hootchie Koo."

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#31406 - 12/05/02 05:46 PM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
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It's covers of his old songs done as Smooth Jazz radio songs..in other words its another CD of smooth jazz versions of oldies. Background music for people who are into nostalgia.. But the "single" is getting some airplay..the Smooth Jazz format being very nostalgia oriented these days. What is scary to me is that when you dwell in the past no foundation for future growth is being created.

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#31407 - 12/06/02 07:01 AM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
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Thanks Shannon,

It just seemed odd to me that the guy who did Hang On Sloopy and Rockin Roll Hoochiekoo would be doing guitar jazz now.

I agree with you 100% about the trend of redoing oldies, I am much more moved by hearing an original then I am by a cover. But then covers are what gets played on Radio I guess, arent there any Comtemporary Jazz radio stations out there or are they all either smooth jazz or classic jazz?

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#31408 - 12/06/02 11:12 AM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:
It just seemed odd to me that the guy who did Hang On Sloopy and Rockin Roll Hoochiekoo would be doing guitar jazz now.
And why would that seem odd?

I used to listen to nothing but rock and pop music. But, since about 10 years ago, I listen to nothing but jazz.

We age, we grow, we change...so do our tastes.

On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with listening to an occasional, tastefully done pop tune remade into a jazz version...this doesn't constitute "dwelling in the past", in my opinion.
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#31409 - 12/06/02 11:52 AM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
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A few years back Slash(former Guns & Roses axe-slinger)had a song that stayed on the smooth charts for an extended ammount of time.

Of course, Craig Chaquico has made a transition from playing in Jefferson Starship to being a very successful smooth jazzer.

So, even though my memories are of Derrenger playing wiht Johnny and Edgar Winter in some songs that melt paint, it'll be interesting to see if this is a one off.

Peace!
Paul
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#31410 - 12/07/02 01:58 PM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
Shannon West Moderator Offline
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Go back and listen to "tell me in a whisper" from one of the Edgar Winter CDs..it had a real contemporary jazz sound.

The cool thing about Chaquico is that he moved forward, not backward..his transition to instrumental music was not marred by nostalgia at all and although he did redo "Find Your Way Back" and a killer uptempo version of Feelin Allright..but he is definitely an artist who is rooted in the present..I wouldn't call him smooth jazz though except for a few of the more computerized songs he's put out for radio..he's pretty much stayed away from the lite RnB.

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#31411 - 12/07/02 04:12 PM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
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Nothing's wrong with doing covers of old songs, regardless of what genre the original was in.
What I don't want to see is a group or artist who does nothing but that. An occasional tribute album is one thing. Or even one cover on an album of otherwise all-original material (and pray the radio statios don't key ONLY on the cover tune - my first taste of David Benoit was a cover of Michael Jackson's "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" but that station also played "Every Step of the Way," "Linus and Lucy" and "The Key to You").
I won't complain if the covers are of jazz standards. I didn't know jack about Duke Ellington (heard of him, but that's all) until I started listening to Steely Dan's cover of "East St. Louis Toodle-Oo." That works because I'm one of those who, when I like a good cover, always wants to go back and hear what the original sounded like. Most of the songs on BWB's "Groovin'" I had heard the originals of, but "Povo" is new to me. So in that sense, covers are a good thing.
However, artists, PMs and corporate suits would do well to remember the phrase "ENOUGH already!"
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#31412 - 12/08/02 03:49 PM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
Paul Lasecki Offline
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Shannon...

You are right, I should be more careful about that smooth tag....I know I hate it when reviewers call Pat Metheny Group or Spyro Gyra or other smooth jazz artists(even though a small portion of their music receive's airplay on "smooth" jazz staions).

Craig opened for Spyro Gyra in Indian Wells< Calif, and he is upbeat and energetic...I liked him alot!!

Peace!
Paul
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#31413 - 12/09/02 09:04 AM Re: RICK DERRINGER ???
JJ Offline
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Donna,

I wasnt bashing Rick for making an album in the jazz genre, I was just saying that for someone who hadnt before done any guitar jazz it seemed like an odd move. Now not having heard the CD, I gather that he redid some of his older songs, I guess I am a bit tired of hearing remakes of old songs, but you're right in that we all grow and change. I wasnt into Jazz of any kind until the early 90's and basically that's all I buy now or listen to, so growth is a good thing \:D .

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