Thanks Shannon....I knew if anyone knew about all that YOU WOULD!!!! Go to the source, I always say! And Count.....good one, you crack me up!

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Anita Bonita

To answer the originally posted question...it depends who you ask. Although there are several "young," (it's all relative)intelligent music lovers on this board which are the exception, I'd bet over 90% of people under 30 would say Jazz (any kind) is for older people.
There's I guy I work with that I recently got into it with. He's 27 yrs. old and truly believes he's astute about music. He walks into my office while I'm playing Dave Weckel's "Master Plan" and tells me that he dreads getting "old" if that's the kind of music he'll be listening to. Gosh, what would he have said if I was playing something like Redwood To The Rockies? I told him he was out of his mind....and then he comments about how there aren't any jazz guitarists (including Metheny) that are even in the same league as a Satriani or Vai, etc. etc. blah, blah, blah.
I can see why jazz fans may be viewed as condescending with ignorant comments like that. I think most jazz lovers are already pretty knowledgable about rock/pop music. That's probably what you were first exposed to growing up but over time you (we) chose to expand our musical tastes. Don't get me wrong, I still listen to rock music only not as much. I always figured don't knock what I listen to and I won't knock what you listen to. But there is no way I'll keep quiet when someone who is almost 40 knocks what I listen to when all they play is what they listened to in high school and college.
Probably a little too wordy on this post but it drives me nuts sometimes.

Steve

Wow thats definetly a different point of view on this topic I have read so far. I totally agree with you too. I especially hate it when people judge the person you are by the music you listen too. Sure it can mold a bit of your personality but to judge someone entirely because of the music they listen to just makes me mad. One of the most popular judgements I have heard is, "YOU LISTEN TO KENNY G!? YOU MUST BE GAY!" #(*&$!!!! to punks who say that. I listen to Kenny G because theres actually some freakin emotion in his music. Plus its romantic for the women =).

Ok I'm done! =)

*calm*

Oh, Artanis, you sure give me hope for the younger generation. Can we clone you???

Linda

Steve, the next time you see you co worker play a little Jefferson Starhip and then a track from one of Craig Chaiquico's cd I would be curious how he feels about rock players who make the transitiion to jazz. Craig is not the only member of the contemporary jazz community to have ties to rock. If we take the arguement that jazz is for old people as gospel, then it would follow that rock is for young people. Which leads me to conclusion that I will have to give my kids all my Hendrix, Doors, Aerosmith, Stones and various other rocks cds. Hey I may be old, but they do not get them until I am dead!

[This message has been edited by Dave Shrader (edited July 19, 2001).]

Right on, Shrader! You clasp on to those puppies until their is rigor mortis setting in! LOL! I'm with ya there, bud!

But Craig, well.....some people consider what he does as jazz, some new age, I think he's a cross between them, really, but that is a good point....Jeff Beck is a rocker, but he's also done some kick-ass jazz, Steve Vai, Eric Johnson has done a few jazz tunes, etc. I think it boils down to having an open mind, which, unfortunately, some people do not, or just simply not musically educated and by that, not trying to sound like a snob, but I find most people who put down certain genres of music for one, I'd say about 99% of them have never "really listened" to the music they are dissing, or have only listened to one person, say Kenny G or something and have discerned that all "contemp jazz or pop" sounds like that and therefore, it is all garbage! Oh well....so much good music left for the rest of us who know better, right? Just something to think about!

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Linda

To clone me would only mean to negate my very unique character. I'm sure there are many out there like me. They just haven't chosen to hop online and voice themselves haha! However I do see the "music bashers" everywhere.

However I do support the "music bashers" a bit... they do rebel against our music but its made me stronger mentally because it has forced me to "fight". I mean yeah they are the people that totally forget the meaning of music but to me I think they are the ones reminding me of what music to me is.

Whats interesting about this thread is that the topic does say "Jazz For Old People Only?" I would have to say that it has branched off into many topics. For example many people have been talking about "The meaning of music." I really don't know what the true generic meaning of music is. I mean not literally the meaning but emotionally and mentally etc. To me music is... well nope!!! can't share that with you!!! Kinda personal. Maybe one day! hahahahahaha

Perhaps others can share their meaning of it?

As for the guy who said weckl was "old peoples stuff" Satriani and Vai aren't exaclty spring puppies, and Weckl plays with Gambale who is on Vai's new label!
But this story did bring a grin because when I was a little kid I hung out at a top 40 radio station..then a new guy (people owned radio stations back then) bought the station
and turned it to Beautiful Music (Liberace, Mantovani, 100000 strings and such) my reaction was "I don't want to grow up if I have to listen to this stuff!!!)..so about 35 years later when Contemporary jazz smoothed out and a lot of the same type of instrumentation (lush strings) and tactics (soft instrumental versions of pop songs) started appearing again my reaction was once again "jeez, if I have to listen to this stuff I don't wanna grow up"..fortunately most artists are still stepping out of those bounds as you go deeper into their CDs. But thats the childhood trauma that led to my fear of Beautiful Music (aka Elevator Music)..losing my radio hangout to old peoples music was almost as traumatic as the ending of Ol' Yeller and the day I found out you had to color inside the lines!